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Post by Gwenneth on Apr 19, 2006 18:45:32 GMT -5
What was it that actually possessed Edmund to be seduced to the White Witch? (courtesy of MontanaBohemian ) Well, this question came up at A-U, and to tell you the truth, I sort of had a hard time answering it. I mean, it's beyond the Turkish Delight. What was within him that allowed him to stray? I want to hear what you guys think!
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rinielaranel
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Post by rinielaranel on Apr 24, 2006 18:54:35 GMT -5
Well, I believe the seduction of the White Witch had a lot to do with it. Besides the Turkish Delight, she tempted him with something very attractive: Power. It was something he didn't have at home, and the idea of ruling over a kingdom probably did more than just please him. The irony is, he already had this royalty by being a Son of Adam! The White Witch was also very nice. She was generous and kind to Edmund, thus the Turkish Delight, and other things. She knew how to ask a question you couldn't say no to. For Edmund, the answer was to return quickly with his brother and sisters. Also take into consideration, it's the middle of the night in a fantasy land. He was probably already astonished and did not feel like he was in his right mind!
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Post by Luthien of Narnia on Apr 24, 2006 19:07:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I completely agree. Also, it says in the book that the boarding school he was attending had changed him, and as we can see, Edmund had become quite vile. He was angry at Peter, and the thought of being higher than the rest of his family (middle child syndrome) enticed him.
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rinielaranel
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Post by rinielaranel on Apr 24, 2006 20:57:17 GMT -5
middle child syndrome...ha ha. it's true, though!
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Post by Montana Bohemian on Apr 25, 2006 15:40:29 GMT -5
Ah ha ha ha! I feel so loved! I agree with what most of you have said. The White Witch, I think, was able to latch on to his need of someone to be nice to him. Okay, that's a sweeping generalization, but you get the point. Stupid Peter thinking he's better than everyone! Juuust kidding.
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Post by rinielaranel on Apr 25, 2006 21:15:10 GMT -5
Thou shalt not insult Peter!!! *frowns* lol, j/k. He seemed rather bossy in the films, if you ask me. In the books he didn't come across as so mean to Edmund. Perhaps I should re-read them...*scurries away*
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Post by Montana Bohemian on Apr 26, 2006 0:07:31 GMT -5
Ha ha ha....sorry. I may be a bit biased on this topic--Edmund IS my favourite. I've always been able to put myself in his shoes...hmmm. But Turkish Delight, who WOULDN'T want Turkish Delight? Ha ha ha...
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Post by Herenya on Apr 26, 2006 4:54:19 GMT -5
I think Edmund was rather insecure, and feeling unvalued. He was probably a bit down-trodden by Peter, in that people would have expected him to follow Peter's example, but still expected him to be a child. The war probably brought on other insecurities, and I can't imagine that boarding school during that era would have been the pleasantest of experiences. Combine this with going to stay somewhere unfamiliar away from home, sibling rivalry and... I'm not surprised that Edmund was enticed by power. Also, I think there was something in the Turkish Delight... White-Witch version of spiking...
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rinielaranel
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Post by rinielaranel on Apr 26, 2006 14:08:18 GMT -5
lol, I think it's called casting a spell...well, silently...with her mind, anyway...okay, I'm confusing myself. Point is, I agree. ;D
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Post by Montana Bohemian on Apr 26, 2006 15:42:07 GMT -5
Herenya, you've said exactly what I was thinking. Seriously, school is sucking my brain cells out of my head.
And the Turkish Delight was something the witch concocted. He became addicted to it...hmmmm...*wanders off to find Turkish Delight*
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Post by Luthien of Narnia on Apr 26, 2006 22:50:14 GMT -5
QUOTE! "...she(WW) knew that this was enchanted Turkish Delight and that anyone who had once tasted it would want more and more of it, and would even, if they were allowed, go on eating it till they killed themselves." Right from the book. But, as Herenya said, he was definitely feeling insecure and pushed away, as can be seen in both versions. I thought that the movie (especially Skandar) did a good job of portraying how he felt.
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Post by Montana Bohemian on Apr 26, 2006 23:21:33 GMT -5
Enchanted!!! THAT'S the word I was looking for!!! Ha ha ha . . . I knew it had to be something like that...well, obviously. Ha ha ha.
Hmmm...Poor Edmund!! He just needs a hug!!
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Post by Gwenneth on Apr 27, 2006 15:55:45 GMT -5
Whoa! This discussion has definitely picked up since I last looked. Very awesome points everyone. I hadn't thought of a lot of them. I agree with MB! *Huggles Ed*
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Post by Larael on Apr 30, 2006 21:30:49 GMT -5
First of all as everyone else said the Turkish Delight did have some power over Edmund in his decision to go back to the White Witch. Some being the key word here I will say that Edmund was probably attracted to the idea that the Witch could give him power over people which is what he wanted, especially power over his older siblings.
From his point of view all Peter and Susan did was boss him around and such and he probably thought this would be his only chance to get back at them and take revenge. When the White Witch says she could make him king over his brother and sisters this is all he's ever wanted being offered to him so he can't refuse, and ultimately takes the bait.
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Post by Montana Bohemian on May 22, 2006 14:40:53 GMT -5
First of all as everyone else said the Turkish Delight did have some power over Edmund in his decision to go back to the White Witch. Some being the key word here I will say that Edmund was probably attracted to the idea that the Witch could give him power over people which is what he wanted, especially power over his older siblings. From his point of view all Peter and Susan did was boss him around and such and he probably thought this would be his only chance to get back at them and take revenge. When the White Witch says she could make him king over his brother and sisters this is all he's ever wanted being offered to him so he can't refuse, and ultimately takes the bait. Quite right. When I was rereading the books, I came across this in the book from the chapter "In The Witch's House." "You mustn't think that even now Edmund was quite so bad that he actually wanted his brother and sisters to be turned into stone. He did want Turkish Delight and to be a Prince (and later a King) and to pay Peter out for callnig him a beast. As for what the Witch would do with the others, he didn't want her to be particularly nice to them - certainly not be put on the same level as himself; but he managed to believe, or to pretend he believed, that shw wouldn't do anything very bad to them, 'Because,' he said to himself, 'all these people who say nasty things about her are her enemies and probably half of it isn't true. She was jolly nice to me, anyway, much nicer that they are. I expect she is the rightful Queen really. Anyway, she'll be better than taht awful Aslan!' At least that was the excuse he made in his own mind for what he was doing. It wasn't a very good excuse, however, for deep down inside him he really knew that the White Witch was bad and cruel."So, yeah. I never personally thought he was outright DECEIVING everyone. Because when he first came in to Narnia, he was so bewildered and confused, he had no idea what was going on. He made an honest mistake that first time in.
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